We will be celebrating our 61st so-called “independence” day just after 5 days. Despite the fact that very few people know the real ideology behind Pakistan Movement I would like you people to recall at least what we all agree upon and have studied in our schools. Sir Syed Ahmad Khan began the period of self-awakening and identity; Allama Muhammad Iqbal provided the philosophical explanation and Mr. Jinnah translated into a political reality of a nation-state and many unknown names struggled hard to help them achieving this objective. But what was this movement for? Different people have different answers to this question but I feel that this movement was very similar to the one raised in Arab 1400 years ago.
The system that Qur’an suggests can only be implemented if the control of the state is in the hands of people who understand it deeply. I would like to clear one thing here that, except few clear orders, Qur’an tells you only principles and points in bold, and their implementation may vary depending on existing circumstances in the society but at least autocracy, secularism or theocracy may not be considered as Qur’anic philosophy of a state. Islamic Ideology of a State is like a hockey game in which you have boundaries, some rules, someone to watch it carefully and the players. Few muslim intellectuals had understood this and they struggled to have a separate homeland but it was very surprising that not only other nations resisted against this movement but also majority of muslims opposed it. It was really weird that few people were demanding a separate homeland on the name of Islam and muslims themselves did not agree with it. Perhaps they considered Islam as a private relationship between God and Men that’s why Iqbal once said:
Mullah Ko Hai Hind Mein Sajde Ki Ijaazat
Nadaan Samajhta Hai Ke Islam Hai Azaad
And
Jalal-e-Badshahi Ho, Ya Jamhori Tamasha Ho
Juda Ho Dee’n Siyasat Se To Reh Jaati Hai Changezi
Sir Syed Ahmed Khan was intensely criticized as a liberal interpreter of Islam, Iqbal was criticized for his concept of Ijtihad and Mr. Jinnah was called “Kafir-e-Azam” instead of “Quaid-e-Azam”. All active leaders of this movement knew from the beginning that there will be another war fought inside the separate homeland against this mind-set.
Please be patient and read all following excerpts from speeches of Mr. Jinnah.
“I know there are people who do not quite agree with the division of India and the partition of the Punjab and Bengal. Much has been said against it, but now that it has been accepted, it is the duty of every one of us to loyally abide by it and honorably act according to the agreement which is now final and binding on all.” [First presidential address to the constituent assembly of Pakistan on 11th August 1947]
“The great majority of us are Muslims. We follow the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed (may peace be upon him). We are members of the brotherhood of Islam in which all are equal in rights, dignity and self-respect. Consequently, we have a special and a very deep sense of unity. But make no mistake: Pakistan is not a theocracy or anything like it.” [19th February, 1948]
“The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fair play to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims –Hindus, Christians, and Parsis –but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.” [February, 1948]
“You will no doubt agree with me that the first duty of a Government is to maintain law and order, so that the life, property and religious beliefs of its subjects are fully protected by the State……. The second thing that occurs to me is this: One of the biggest curses from which India is suffering –I do not say that other countries are free from it, but, I think, our condition is much worse –is bribery and corruption. That really is a poison. We must put that down with an iron hand…. Black marketing is another curse……. The next thing that strikes me is this: Here again it is a legacy which has been passed on to us. Along with many other things, good and bad, has arrived this great evil –the evil of nepotism and jobbery. This evil must be crushed relentlessly”. [On August 11, 1947]
But when I see around I found everything same as it was in 1947. Nothing has been changed even became worse than that. The same happened to Pakistan that happened to Islam. Islam went into the hands that did not deserve it and then Pakistan too.
Manzil Unhein Mili Jo Shareek-e-Safar Na They
Everybody had to play his/her role in the development of this country but unfortunately nobody did what anybody could have done. People completely forgot the ideology behind Pakistan or misinterpreted it. They actually had no time to discuss this and when they discussed they always discussed non-issues. I gave you an example that I came across few months ago. We all have heard about three words of Mr. Jinnah “Unity, Faith, Discipline” but you will find different sequence of these three words on different national logos, in government offices and on hilltops. As per my knowledge first time Mr. Zia-ul-Haque rewrote this sequence to “Faith, Unity and Discipline”. Obviously for this he would have to reprint all government stationary. He might have considered “Faith” as “Islam’ but don’t you think Mr. Jinnah could have said “Islam” himself instead of “Faith” in his motto if he wanted to? Mr. Jinnah gave no importance to the sequence as it can be identified from an excerpt from his speech in which he used both sequences.
“We are going through fire: the sunshine has yet to come. But I have no doubt that with unity, faith and discipline we will not only remain the fifth largest State in the world but will compare with any nation of the world. Are you prepared to undergo the fire? ….. We are passing through a period of fear, danger and menace. We must have faith, unity and discipline.” [December 28, 1947]
Then why people raised this issue? We are actually habitual of making issues out of non-issues and putting ourselves into things that outputs nothing. We don’t understand, we don’t follow, but we make issues to entertain ourselves or to keep others busy so they can’t see the real problems. You can see such examples nowadays around you. Our great politicians are engaged in activities that give no solution to a common man’s problems. You will find people “United” but on falsehood, they have “Faith” but neither in the laws defined by Allah nor in themselves. They are “disciplined” but in groups and each group have a different objective and different destination and according to their interpretation of principles they all consider themselves on the right path. We have made a few stupid people sit on ourselves and now they are pinching in our head. We are either dependent on a dictator so he could enforce monarchy, investor politicians whose religion is only profit or religious missionaries who are our guide to a paradise hereafter by spending our lives in a hell here. And if someone sometimes tries to come outside of this or want to help others in their development then we don’t allow them to do so. Do you call it “independence”? But still a lamp of hope is kindled in my heart. And I hope this post will kindle a fire in your heart as well. Don’t let this fire come to an end. I don’t need to tell you what to do; you know it all; I just want you to recall it and then practice it accordingly.
Mere Seene Mein Nahin, To Tere Seene Mein Sahi
Ho Kahin Bhi Aag, Lekin Aag Jalni Chahiye
Please Think, You Can Think
!mran
Filed under: Islam, Pakistan | Tagged: Allama Iqbal, Discipline, Faith, Islamic State, Jinnah, Non-Issues, Pakistan, Philosophy of State, Quaid-e-Azam, Unity
Great!!!!!!!!!!
I really feel good to read such articles where reality is presented and this one on time when we patriotic people are celebrating another 14th August.
I want to add a few lines:
“The system that Qur’an suggests can only be implemented if the control of the state is in the hands of people who understand it deeply”
Basically now the control of the state is not in the hands of state government but actually it is in the hands of world super powers. Current government is not strong enough to face them or we can say they are very busy in their own created issues like
“Adlia bahaal honi chahiye OR Musharraf’s impeachment OR Nawaz zardari itehad”.
I think it would be better for us to solve our problems ourselves.
Ending with a few lines of a great poet which are of worth importance
“Afraad k haatho mei hai aqwaam ki taqdeer
har fard hai millat k muqaddar ka sitara”
“yun tou parwaaz hai dono ki isi ek fiza mei
kargis ka jahan aur hai shaheen ka jahan aur”
thanks
~UK
Every kid growing up in Pakistan is aware of the Two Nation Theory as the basis of the creation of Pakistan. In simpler words.. the Theory states that Hindus and Muslims are two diverse nations.. each with distinct religions, culture, history etc and therefore .. even after living together for centuries (under the Mughal and British rule) they remained remarkably distinct.. maintaining their cultural differences etc. Pakistan emerged as the only ideological Islamic state that was created in the name of Islam.. not as a result of some territorial conflict etc.
Taking a closer look at the theory.. it clearly holds the idea that all muslims are ONE nation by every definition. At the time of creation of Pakistan.. Muslims were already divided into several countries. The creation of Pakistan on this basis meant further division of the Muslim Nation (Ummah) .. adding Pakistan among the countries Muslims are divided into.
The only nationalism that Islam supports is the nationalism according to religion.. not some geographical or ethnic division. Allah SWT says in the Quran, ‘This nation of yours is one nation, and I am your God, so worship Me’. (Quran 21:92). Unlike the situation today.. where a Muslim is Pakistani first then a Muslim .. v refer to our brothers as Iraqi Muslims or Indian Muslim .. whereas .. the are all muslims .. living in different parts of the world.
This nationalism is most strongly rooted in the Muslim world. And was not there from the beginning,, Muslim unity is one of the fundamentals of Islamic political system. These divisions within the Ummah according tp countries and geographical boundaries were feed into the Muslim masses by their colonial/imperial rulers (British in case of Indo-Sub Continent, iraq etc and French like in Syria etc). During the world wars.. the global super powers became quite weak.. and due to United States’ late entry into the World War, when all others were exhausted towards the end of it, only United States stood as the least exhausted and victorious nation in the world. Thus becoming the current super power (only to be challenged during the cold war with Russia, which ended with the dismantling of USSR).
After the World Wars, these colonial powers were getting weak and were left with no choice of granting independence to their colonies. At this time in history.. the world say the division of Muslim lands into different countries.. just like you cut a cake at the end of a celebration and hand pieces of it to other people. All the modern day lines (international boundaries) between the Muslim Lands today are the product of those divisions. All the first heads of states of these newly formed countries (nations) were people groomed in the west (e.g. Jinnah from Lincoln’s Inn in London, Faisal of Iraq groomed while studying at Harrow in UK, Abdullah of Jordan etc). The newly born countries were handed to them so that they could save guard the interests of powers that have planted them. All these were proclaimed national heroes, founders of the newly formed ‘nations’. In the sub-continent .. millions died. Even if there was no violent political struggle.. the british wud hav left the Sub-Continent anyway. They had already sucked the resources from this land and there was nothing left for them here. They wud hav left as easily as they left the Arabian peninsula and the Transjordan .. vid simple negotiations. There were no bloody revolts .. just dialogues with the ‘wud-be’ leader (rulers) for the new land. If British didnt want to move, they would hav stayed here like they stayed in Hong Kong following a treaty. I know this might sound controversial.. cos it hurts to read that million died for nothing.. but hey.. thts my point of view.. we should respect each others opinions.. ur comments are welcomed.
The slogan “Pakistan ka matlab kia .. La Illaha Illal-lah” was a fake one .. to get the Muslim under one banner. Pakistan, as claimed to be one, was never meant to be a homeland for Muslims to freely observe Islam. Mohammad Ali Jinnah made his commitment to secularism in Pakistan clear in his inaugural address when he said, “You will find that in the course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.” I totally agree with the statement that Muslim are one nations and they should be living in a land according the islamic rules (sharia), my point is that this statement was adapted as the reason of creation of Pakistan and the politicians never meant it. No wonder Alcohol was only banned after 25-30 years in the land created on the name of Islam. The people tht died in 1947 were tricked into sacrificing for what they believed was right but in reality .. they were just used. They were victim of the politics of people that wanted power and those who wanted to plant their agents into these lands. to look after their interest here, even after they left.
The statement from Indra Gandhi on the fall of Dhaka is a slap on the ideology of Pakistan .. “We hav sunk the two nation theory in the gulf of Bengal”. My answer to that is that “if” Two Nation Theory had been the true ideology behind .. such a disaster wud hav never occurred. We never thought of Bengalis as our Muslim brothers.. equal to us. Even to this day we make a mockery out of them.. of the way they talk or dress. We stripped them of their right to form the government. But this is a different debate all together.
To conclude the post.. i think The two nation theory at its core is the most strong idealogy to unite the Muslim today. As it nullifies all other Nationalities except Islam. All muslims are ONE nation. Its time for us to revive this Two Nation Theory at a global level.. as its the only thing that can unite the Muslim Ummah as one once again.
Nice Thought.. i hope people do realize it and start thinking in this way……we are becoming a vision-less nation going no where…May Allah bless this country…we are not disoppointed yet but in a stage where we could be disappointed any moment…
Asslam-o-Alaikum,
I completely agree that “now that it has been accepted, it is the duty of every one of us to loyally abide by it and honorably act according to the agreement” but don’t u think that the state which was taken in the name of Islam was taken by a man who don’t even know the SPELLING of ISLAM. According to a little research of mine the thing I understand (that can be wrong) is that the distribution of INDIA was a pre-planned game of the British Govt. to rule the sub-continent & both the leaders were the touts of them and the distribution was also very confusing. The Kashmir issue was again left intentionally so that both the countries keep on fighting for that. The MUHAJIREENS didn’t get any specific place for them. GAWADAR was not the part of PAKISTAN, it has been purchased from IRAN later by putting taxes on the AWAAM. The BANGALIES who sacrifices the most were thrown like trash in 71 and still these bloody politicians are selling out the assets (GOLD AND COPPER MINES in BALOCHISTAN). Actually I don’t agree that the distribution of PAK-O-HIND was the decision of MUSLIMS, but again I agree that now we have to do something to save PAKISTAN coz any how it is ours now.
Asslam-o-Alaikum,
First of all I want to thank Imran for posting another nice post that give us the chance to think more and express our thinking here. I apologies in advanced if i write something wrong and I want to say this is what I think and I might be wrong I don’t belong to any school of thought. so blame me not any school of thought.
I want to agree with Kunwar Mudassir that there are some mysterious things behind the building of Pakistan that we don’t know and now we don’t wanna know this is what it is its our now. But for me Pakistan was not build for Islam and there were many Muslims who oppose this I am not at their side either but they were right (Pakistan in the name of Islam) was the phrase which British inject in some Muslims brain so they can agree and do struggle for them, there are some respectable personalities like Mohammad Ali Jinah and Allama Iqbal and many more but sorry to say they were betrayed really bad they had no choice but to accept the mysterious partition of hind which has nothing to do with Muslims otherwise what about the millions of Muslims living in India they don’t deserved the Islamic state? and if we deeply look at the distribution it sound like confusing why not equally distributed? how come Bangladesh was a part of Pakistan it is across the India there no adjacent borders. why not Gujrat, Ahmadabad which is still the fully Muslim populated area and so closed to Pakistan ,why a confused distribution of Kashmir which is never going to resolved until the end of any of state either Pakistan or India.
Although Pakistan is doing exactly what it is build for like helping some powers to capture this region and take hold of it so they can beat China and Russia but that’s not going to happen since the world is changing very rapidly.
At last this is our country we born here and we are a part of this land and this land expects something from us. but we subdivided into different thoughts, cultures ,interests , casts and blah and fight among.
You see the powers are trying to divide the region of Afghanistan and Pakistan and they have planted the thought in Taliban’s that they are fighting for Islam and they need to implement the Islam they might end up with another state with half of Balochistan and Afghanistan.
I don’t understand why we Muslims still think the Islam is not yet implemented and Islam is a failure and we must fight for it to be implemented. I believe that Islam has done what it is came for today’s civilized world is a open proof and unfortunately this was not done by Muslims but Islam was not came for Muslims it came for humanity. Now this world need us for other big issues and threats to humanity. (mazhab zindagi guzarne ka tariqa tu hey maqsad nahi hey, maqsad is se bala tar hey), well I think it will carry discussion to another direction.
In the end I want to say as a Pakistani we should realize that we are in trouble and we must do something not only in written words but in the form of applications for now poverty , education, research and development are our big issues otherwise there will be no sign of us in the coming world. future world is world of deep space and we don’t want to become fuel for that.
Assalam-o-Alaikum,
In this blog all of us are discussing the non-issues, I think. We must leave everything behind and should think that “AB HUM IS MULK KO BACHANEY K LYE KYA KER SAKTEY HAIN” coz humain he qadam uthana parey ga and we cant wait any more. All of us keep on blaming the GOVT but why dont we remember that ALLAH SAYS “JAISI QAUM HOGI US PER WAISEY HI HUKUMRAAN MUSALLAT KER DIYE JAYENGEY”. Jo huay, Jaisey hua just leave everything and think what can v do to save PAKISTAN. Here are some of the reasons and a DUA. Please read and as Imran says:
Please Think, You Can Think
RAAT KI TAREEKIYAN
BAAT KI BAREEKIYAN
KHAMOSH SI TANHAIYAN
SIMTI HUI PURCHAIYAN
SEHMI HUI BEENAIYAN
PHOOLON MAIN AB KHUSHBU NAHI
KAANTON MAIN LIPTI ZINDAGI
MAUT BHI AASAAN NAHI
USKI BHI QEEMAT LAG GAYI
IK FARD KI TO CHORIYE
YEH QAUM PURI BIK GAYI
MERTEY AGER KAFIR K HATH
TO HUM BHI KEHLATEY SHAHEED
QATIL BHI JUB HO MUSALMAN
KAISEY KAHAIN KHUD KO SHAHEED
YEH ZAAT PAAT, YEH AAN-O-SHAN
FIRQON MAIN BATA HAY MUSALMAN
AIYAASHIYAAN, AARAISHAIN
BUS KHWAHISHAIN HE KHWAHISHAIN
BARPA KYA HAY HASHR KO
MAANGAIN DUAIN AJR KO
KAISEY MILEY AJR-O-SAWAAB
BHOOLEY HAIN HUM ROZ-E-AZAAB
BUS YEH DUA HAY YA KHUDA
BUKHSH DAY HUMAREY SUB GUNAH
HUM KO TU SEEDHI RAH DIKHA
MUKR-O-FARAIB SEY BACHA
YEH JO DHAMAKEY HAIN GOONJTEY
CHAARON TARAF FIZAON MAIN
IN SEY HUMAIN TU NIJAAT DAY
MURDA HAMAREY ZAMEER KO
IK BAAR PHIR TU HAYAAT DAY
Dear Talha, Mudassir and Asif,
The reason behind writing this post was just to remind you people about the promises that were made at the time of partition and the ideology behind this separation whether it was truth or a game. I myself did not want to go into those details but your comments compelled me to write further on it so comming readers can have both viewpoints on the same page.
Samuel Butler said “God can not alter the past, but historians can”.
I myself do not believe in the history because it is always written by historians and every historian has his own pen but India was not partitioned in a stone age so people couldn’t remember the exact history and requires historians to write its history, it is not like that. Everything is recorded on papers, audios and videos, even few people are still alive who were the part of that movement. What you people have written is not new to me, it has been a propaganda against the partition of india and this was originated from either india or from the people who were against this partition. In 2005 “Narindra Singh Sarila” wrote a book named “The shadow of the great game” and he has portraid Mr. Jinnah as a villain in that book. They have right to write such books. A hero for us may be a villain for others or others heromight be our villain. But what happens when we ourselves are not able to identify our heroes and villains.
Now I will pick lines from your comments and will try to respond accordingly.
Talha wrote : “The creation of Pakistan on this basis meant further division of the Muslim Nation (Ummah)”
According to you, should there be a single country all over the world for muslims? Do you think countries cause a division among muslim ummah? Brother, Islam had to spread all over the world in different regions at distance of thousands of miles. Where each region has its own resources and own set of problems and the regional states run according to their requirements but yes at the end of the day all regional states focus towards a single central authority and that is called “Qibla” or Capital in today’s world.
“After a long, deep study of Islamic laws I have arrived at the conclusion that if this system of laws is promulgated appropriately, at least the economic rights of every individual can be safeguarded. However, the promulgation of Islamic Sharia is not possible without the establishment of one or more independent Muslim states. Do you not think that the time for such a demand has arrived?”
Talha wrote: “The slogan “Pakistan ka matlab kia .. La Illaha Illal-lah” was a fake one”.
Do you know the meaning of “La Illaha Illa-Allah”? That means “I acknowledge and affirm from the depth of my heart that I am not willing to do or carry out any commands unless they are from ALLAH! (obedience) and affirm that I place myself under no-ones control, I recognise no authority over me except that of ALLAH! (submission) and I serve no-one except ALLAH and obey what He has ordained (subservience). ” Now you may understand why a human becomes a muslim when recites this kalima. People who knew this kalima wanted a separate homeland because this kalima only works in a state where Quranic System is implemented. Please be patient and read following lines to have an idea how Jinnah understood this kalima.
“In Islamic Government the hub for obedience and loyalty is Allah and practical shape of the concept is obedience to the commandments and principles laid down in the Quran. Islam is not about obedience to a king or a house of parliament or any other person or institution. Commandments of the Quran lay down the parameters of our freedom and limits in political and economic spheres. In other words, an Islamic government is a rule of Quranic principles and commandments. For this rule to be enforced you need territory and a state”.
(Answer to a question by students of Usmania University, Hyderabad (Deccan) August 19, 1941, ref; daily Inqilab, Lahore August 2, 1941.
Talha Wrote: “Mohammad Ali Jinnah made his commitment to secularism in Pakistan clear in his inaugural address when he said, “You will find that in the course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.”
I don’t know why these lines gave you a concept of Secular state. It is the same kind of state that Mohammad P.B.U.H formed in madinah where non-muslims had equal rights in the society. Jinnah neither wanted theocratic nor a secular state. He wanted an Islamic State as visioned by Allama Iqbal.
Mudassir Wrote: “don’t u think that the state which was taken in the name of Islam was taken by a man who don’t even know the SPELLING of ISLAM.”
Simple answer is “He knew”
See Mudassir actually the problem is we still do not know that which practices are considered Islamic. You, Maulvis and Maulanas think that Islam starts from the hair of your beard and ends on the bottom of your pajamas. Which kind of Islam you expect when Islam has been limited to few rituals. You think Islam came to teach you five times prayers and one month’s fasting? Study Qur’an, you will see that Islam revolves around Social and Economic Systems. Clergymen of Islam think that they know Islam better than anyone in the world because their prefix is “Maulvi” and “Maulana” but have you ever heard “Maulvi Umar Farooq?” or “Maulana Abu-Bakar Siddique” etc? Islam is not what muslims say, Islam is what that Qur’an say. Just read the above answer of Mr. Jinnah that he gave to students of Usmania University Hyderabad Deccan. You will see how deep his understanding was with Qur’an. Few more excerpts for you.
He rasied a question once in the annual meeting of Muslim League in Karachi, 1943:
“What is the cord that would bind Muslims into one entity; which is the rock on which their Millat is founded; what is the anchor that provides stability to the boat of this Millat?”
Then he himself gave the answer:
“That binder, that cord, that rock, and that anchor is the great Book of Allah, the holy Quran. I have unshakeable faith in our achieving ever increasing unity as we proceed. One Allah, one Prophet, one Book, one Ummah!”
“I am neither a Maulvi, nor a Mulla nor do I have pretensions to mastery of theology. However, I have made an attempt to study the Quran and Islamic laws on my own. This great book has in it, guidance on all aspects of human life whether it is the spiritual or social dimension, political or economic aspect of life. In fact nothing is beyond the scope of Quranic guidance”.
(Usmania University, Hyderabad Deccan, 1941)
“Come forward as servants of Islam, organise the people economically, socially, educationally and politically and I am sure that you will be a power that will be accepted by everybody.”
(Muhammad Ali Jinnah-23 March 1940 address with the historic occasion of 1940 Independence Resolution)
Asif Ali Wrote: “there were many Muslims who oppose this I am not at their side either but they were right (Pakistan in the name of Islam) was the phrase which British inject in some Muslims brain so they can agree and do struggle for them”
Asif! You know why majority of muslims opposed it because their understanding of Islam is limited to prayers, fasting, ablution and other things. They were happy where they were because they had the freedom to pray and fasting. But they were initially interested in a separate homeland and They were expecting that the separate homeland will be under their supervision but it was a shock for them when Mr. Jinnah clearly stated that the new state will not be a theocratic state Because there were already a lot of sects among muslim, which sect would run the state? Sunni or Shia? Barelvi or Deobandi? Mr. Jinnah made a categorical declaration in Muslim League convention in Dehli on April 11, 1946 that: –
“Let us understand in clear terms what our war is about. What is our goal? Please remember our goal is not theocracy. We do not want a theocratic state.”
It is from these facts that majority of our religious leaders acted as tools of others in opposing establishment of Pakistan, for last 61 years they are struggling to convert Pakistan into Theocratic State and want to have control in their own hands.
Talha wrote: “All the first heads of states of these newly formed countries (nations) were people groomed in the west “
Allama Iqbal once said “Musalman Ko Musalman Kardiya Toofan-e-Maghrib Ne“.
Mudassir Wrote: “the distribution of INDIA was a pre-planned game of the British Govt. to rule the sub-continent & both the leaders were the touts of them” and Asif Ali wrote: “some respectable personalities like Mohammad Ali Jinah and Allama Iqbal and many more but sorry to say they were betrayed really bad” and Talha wrote similar as well.
Brothers, I have few questions.
1. Who told you these stories?
2. England was already ruling the sub-continent. What was the requirement to plan a game for that?
3. Don’t you think if England were so smart then it would be a super power right now instead of USA?
4. Which benefits England got after this partition? Please name some. If it would be USA then I might have considered your theory.
5. I don’t see any game in the partition of India. Why do you? Just because of confusing distribution of regions?
See what I wrote its all in the history, What you people wrote probably it would also be in some history. Both are histories and if one is incorrect then the other may also be incorrect.
Regards,
Dear Imran,
Look weather its 1000 years or 60 years back its history now. (aur us waqt k log agar aaj hein bhi tu woh ,yeh bhi kahte hein ,woh woh bhi kahte hein , woh han bhi kahte hein , woh na bhi kahte hein) you will find so many different views. that’s why we need our views what do we think? and what can we do?
What ever I write its my own observations some how they maybe based upon ,some histories ,stories what ever. I might be wrong. but if you think just because of I don’t believe that ideology of Pakistan it doesn’t mean I don’t have love and care for it. I really want to do something for Pakistan to make it strong enough and you will see there are many people like me. it doesn’t matter what they think about the establishment of Pakistan but they love their land and they will do what ever it takes and this is what it is spirit of independence day. if we really want to save Pakistan we must must must struggle to grab our industrialist and wake him up and ask him what he is doing with his money and power for Pakistan. you know more than 90% problems of Pakistan can easily be solved with money and then power.
I never said Mohammad Ali Jinah and his followers were not trying to establish a Islamic state they might have those intentions but they were betrayed by British and Hindu politicians they had no choice but to accept that game. its not like that they successfully established what ever they wanted and later on people who got that messed up (kia hota agar aaj masla-e-kashmir na hota, kia accha na hota agar pakistan bhi india k baraber hota? agar may aur tum bhi kisi cheez k partitions karen tu usme bhi equality first priority hogi otherwise none of us will accept it) .
According to you England has got nothing then why they came here? and why they just didn’t leave hind without partition? On some level Americans and British are same. While British were capturing hind Americans were trying to capture china but they found heavy Chinese religious opposition. that’s why they heavily vanished Japan in world war 2 and you see today Japan is nothing but a Japanese America. Most of Japanese army works under American army.
And for muslims it would be better if we stop dreaming about a Islamic state (aaj ka muslaman yeh kah kar alag karleta hey apne aap ko duniya or iske masloon se kay may kia karoon islami nizaam hee nahi hey) khair its a different debate.
We have to change the way what we think about the future not what we think about the past (past is not coming back) so instead of finding people of same thought on some ideology it will be better to find people of same care and love for Pakistan and then struggle struggle struggle.
Asif,
Mudassir wrote that “both leaders were touts of British Govt.”
You wrote that “They were betrayed by British Govt.”
Both statements conflict but you wrote in your next comments that “I want to agree with Mudassir”.
According to Mudassir, Jinnah and others were part of that plan and they deceived the nation. According to YOU they were not part of that plan but yes British Govt had its own interest in this partition so they betrayed Jinnah and others and they had no other choice except accepting that.
Your viewpoint is more acceptable than mudassir’s. The questions that I raised in my last comment were not my viewpoints, they were just question that came into my mind after reading your and others comments. I need to have an answer and I have no other choice except studying the history and that history has different sort of views like talha’s, mudassir’s, yours and mine.
The movement took 90 years from 1857 to 1947 to convert a theory presented by Sir Syed Ahmed Khan into a separate homeland “Pakistan”. I don’t know whether this seed was sowed by British Govt. or by muslims themselves in 1857. But it looks more proper to me that probably muslim leaders realised it themselves first and then British Govt found their interest in this partition if i keep your viewpoint adjacent with mine. But doubting on intentions of Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, Allama Iqbal, Jinnah, Other Leaders and Other unknown names who sacrificed should be avoided because it may shake the foundation of this country.
I agree with your last paragraph in which you wrote that we should change the way we think about the future not what we think about the past.
Asif! You know my thoughts about an Islamic State. You can give it any name but the principles and practices should be those which build a heavenly society in which everyone lives happily without poverty, hunger, differences, sadness and fear. Muslims had Qur’an and all principles in that book but they didn’t follow but I see nations which don’t have such books but they have practiced and made efforts to make their society a heaven.
Thank You
Imran,
I agree with Mudassir that partition is confused and I also stated that Muslims leaders were betrayed. Look what ever was the struggle but Pakistan was not an output of that. I only criticize the creation of Pakistan. The creation of Pakistan is causing many Muslims to feel like they are homeless in India. Because ‘we claim it as a Islamic state and we have got that after tons of sacrifices’, our ancestors did not scarified for this what we got. it does hurt but it is a truth.
Assalam-o-Alaikum,
Imran Bhai,
I’ve never said that ISLAM is only praying or fasting.ISLAM is not a relegion, it is DEEN. (COMPLETE WAY OF LIFE) but the man who struggled for a MUSLIM STATE didnt try to create a single ISLAMIC RULE for this country. WHY????
The history we’ve been told is really very confusing. We have been taught that Quaid-e-Azam born in Karachi. Only 5% ppl know that he born in JHIRK (A small place near THATTA). His grandson NESS WADIA is enjoying IPL with PREETY ZINTA where as a grand daugher of his (from his 1st wife) who was a muslim woh PAKISTAN MAIN KACHRA CHUN RAHI HAIN. MEDIA PE BAAT UCHLI TO GOVT. NEY KUCH KYA UN K LYE. I am getting a bit away from the topic but why why is this discremination. As u know that every time the Super Powers used some one he or she has been killed after being used and thats what happened to QUAID-E-AZAM. He didnt even get the proper ambulance to reach hospital and he died.
I again would like to say that this discussion is useless now.
WOH JO MIL GAYA USAY YAAD RAKH
JO NAHI MILA USAY BHOOL JA
We have to do something to save our PAKISTAN.
Thanks
Mudassir,
This discussion is not useless. I mean how can you serve your country when you are not sure about its ideology and have doubts on the intentions of its leaders. You have simply spit on their faces.
The difference between your and my thoughts on this ideology is all because we both have different concepts about Islam. Before understanding the Two Nation Theory and Demand of a Separate Homeland, you need to study Qur’an and its proposed system. I won’t go into details otherwise the topic will get deviated. You will probably understand my concepts about Islam as this blog grows but I am available anytime if you like to know this earlier.
As Talha Aziz said and it is a fact that “The only nationalism that Islam supports is the nationalism according to Islam”. But Talha Aziz made a mistake that he considered people involved in Pakistan Movement as “Nationalists” while the people who were against Two Nation Theory were actually “Nationalists” and everyone knows that Maulana Hussain Ahmed Madani, the shaikh-ul-hadith from darul-uloom deoband, once said that “in current age, nations are based on homelands, not religion” and Iqbal replied this false concept in his poems. Even Iqbal and Jinnah were nationalists in the beginning and struggled for hindu-muslim unity but their thoughts transformed due to the behaviours of Hindu Congress Leaders, the status of Muslims and in-depth study of Qur’an. Can’t you see the difference between two poems of Iqbal like “Saare Jahan se accha Hindustan hamara” and “In Taaza Khuda’on mein bara sab se watan hai”. But other muslim leaders and their followers remained nationalists and opposed the idea of separate homeland. Iqbal considered this war as “Maarka-e-Deen-o-Watan”. Mudassir, There were people who did not do anything themselves and also did not let others do. And you will find such people still around.
If you want to have a further discussion on this topic you can meet me personally.
Thank You.
Asslam-o-Alaikum,
My brother after reading your thoughts its same like that any body
burn a candle in dark night.Although i am working with U S AIRFORCE as a IT engineer
but my all well wishes for my great Pakistan .No doubt you state your views like a
rational thinker and when today Muslim Um ma is facing very crucial situation and
some Muslim are becoming desperate but every one should be understand that
Islam is a name of struggle and the name of hard working for ambitions The people
of Subcontinent give lot of scarifies for only this purpose that we can survive our life according to Islamic principles as an independent nation and this was the base of
Two nation theory ,unfortunately today some sort of Mir jaffer and Mir sadiq ,whose
are sitting out of Pakistan and giving such kind of stupid statements that they are not
able to call there self as a Pakistani .I spend my mostly time with online pakistany and youth and try to convert the real message that we are future of Pakistan and soldier
of Islam, so we have to accept a herculean task of effecting unity of desperate Muslims and look forward for new horizon.